The concept of Jing is the always-ready program that instantly captures and shares images and video…from your computer to anywhere.

One thing that definately should be supported is to copy the image to the clipboard.

I agree that cpying to the clipboard should be supported and would like to see quicktime and windows media files supported for the video. This would allow many people to play back the videos easier and fit with the pick up and go attitude of jing. But in the meantime it's easy to convert the formats, just see here: http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/12/28/cybernotes-how-to-convert-your-files-for-free-pdf-doc-etc/

Maybe in a few months create a "pro" version that would cost a couple bucks and add the ability to save the capture as uncompressed AVI. Pass off most of the cost and decisions of codecs to iMovie, Windows Movie Maker, etc. I have no idea what the licensing fees for uncompressed AVI would be, but probably in the range of a couple bucks per paid user, right? You could give me all the functionality I would want from Snapz Pro for a couple bucks.

I should clarify, though ... I'd be fine with paying a few bucks for a pro version because it would cost you a few extra bucks in licensing fees. I wouldn't want that to translate into otherwise crippling the free version to get people to upgrade.

I like .png.

Flash ... it's the best alternative, but it's not true to say that Flash can be viewed by anyone. I believe there still is no 64-bit version of the Flash player.

I used and liked CamStudio (http://www.camstudio.org/) before I went to Mac. I assume you've looked at that.

I think your products should work together. Jing is a great product but it produces a video file that you can't import in Camtasia. I think having Camtasia be able to import video files from Jing would make an outstanding product.

For the pile-of-image-files approach, as long as it works with something like QuickTime Pro's "Open Image Sequence", I'm happy.

It would be nice if you could go the uncompressed AVI route though, so audio can be captured and synchronized with the images.

Andrew.

Thanks for this great product. I would like to second the request to copy the image to the clipboard. Also, increasing the 5 min limit on the video.

I'll relate a recent experience with formats:

After I lost my last cell phone, I picked up a simple and cheap replacement that just carried my calendar. The phone also came with a camera with the option to capture simple video.

Much to my surprise, all the functions on the phone worked fairly good - phone, pictures, and video.

I pulled off a video to do a quick edit and I found out the format was something I'd never heard of before -- 3g2 -- a "second generation" format for cell phones. I have no idea, with all the fine video formats out there, why someone would go to the hassle of creating something else.

The "quick edit" turned in to a half day affair. Most programs could play the format, but nothing would edit it. I had one of two ways to do it -- pony up the cash for QT Pro or figure out a work around.

Here's the work around:
-Open the 3g2 file in Itunes
-Export to QT
-Trash the two of the three versions (not the QT one) you now have (one for iTunes, one original, and one in QT)
-Now you can load in the video for editing.

Long story short: stick with png and swf - they're fine, they work, and almost anything can read the information quickly and easily.

Incredible product! I can see huge uses for educational use.
I would definitely greatly appreciate other file types like mpg or avi. In the education field, those seem to be used more. Also, do you know the best conversion program from swf to mpg?

I've tried Jing just a few minutes ago and it's a great tool. I've searched something like this for a long time to have a fast way for explaining/demonstrating something to friends when they ask for help. It's fast, it's easy, it's cool. ;-)

I don't need any further codecs für video or images - png and swf is enough. But the already mentioned clipboard-function for png's would be really nice. Also it would be great, if I could save the swf file directly to a flash projector exe file like it is possible with the Adobe (Macromedia) Flash Player for Windows (not the plugin), which ist delivered with the Adobe (Macromedia) Flash developement software. This exe projector-file is then playable on each system that supports exe files - well mainly windows i suppose.

Greetings from Germany,
Martin

The beauty of Jing today is it's simplicty. Sure, it doesn't provide every format that every possible user would want, but perhaps what is there today meets the needs of 80% of the target market? It's refreshing to use an application that has not yet morphed into yet another bloatware application -- Jing fills a niche and seems to do it well.

For more advanced screen captures and screencasting, SnagIt and Camtasia work nicely in a Windows environment (are there Mac equivalents too?). Perhaps these are the best tools to fill the need for multi-format, production quality screencasts.

But is your goal for Jing to become a feature-laden screen capture production studio, or is it to provide a basic, fast and easy to use method to share short screencasts/screenshots via IM and email?

If it's the latter, then just keep it simple. :)

Hello, I love the simple idea of record-upload-send link, which is great, when you want to help somebody or record a really short screencast.

Time to time, I make postproduction in iMovie or FC Express (too long pieces, bad audio), so the idea of a few bucks pro versin is perfect for me! Format doesn't matter, just choose one that is importable into editing programs :) It would be great if you made mov/avi to flv convertor...I know ffmpegx is here, but it doesn't work always (eg. files without audio end at 0 kB).

Png is fine for the single image format. It supports great quality and transparency. What's not to like?

For video, my vote would go for QuickTime MOV format, as it's cross-platform and many apps can view it. All of the Microsoft formats require WMP for the best viewing/functionality, and WMP isn't available for the Mac (discontinued some time ago.) Why "design out" the Mac and Linux users by choosing AVI/WMV? Seems counterproductive in a Web 2.x world...

Keep up the good work.

I've just tried a couple of quick 25 sec recordings. The resulting file was about 1 MB and that surprised med since I can make 3 min with audio in Camtasia studio and export it to a .swf that is appr 3 MB. If I were to use Jing videos heavily I would be part of clogging the Internet ;-)

I think what a lot of you are forgetting is the TechSmith already has products that do what you are looking for. Granted they are currently only on the Windows OS, but I think if we were to start requesting these products for Mac and Linux that they would start to explore the possibility of this. This is their first Mac product (since EnSharpen is just a codec) so they are learning from this if anything.

I think that we as a community that's been built up on this project the past few weeks should help them build more successful Mac products. Remember that Windows and Mac OSes are still the most popular ones out there. Yes, I agree that there is still a number of limited products available for Linux, however, until it really starts gaining momentum, why have large companies spend millions of dollars of a product that wouldn't make the money back.

Jing is also intended for something simple, as the main page states: "Capture, Record, Share." If you start to get past those three then you start to get into other products that TechSmith makes. Why would they create a product to compete with something else? Most of you have talked about Mac apps that do screen recording. Camtasia Studio (currently only on windows) does everything that people are looking for yet we haven't seen it on the Mac platform yet? I think that most of this conversation should be addressed with that. What I think that TechSmith needs to do is get Camtasia Studio on the Mac then worry about where the Jing Project goes.

I think you need to add a .mov file format so us Mac users can edit our videos using iMovie and Final Cut Pro HD. Without being able to save in a .mov format a great program like Jing is useless. It's a shame not to be able to use such a great product.

Re the comment on Camtasia..you're never going to find a format that suits all for importing. I'd prefer SWF in this instance as it is handy for Adobe Captivate.

SWF (for me) was a surprise and a pleasant one. I'm not saying it is the best format (as a Mac user I'd avoid WMV and AVI completely) but I see where you are coming from re it being universal and low cost/impact. It does make editing a problem for people though.

SWF has worked well in my tests and I've tried importing the movies into Adobe Connect live meetings and the presenter tool that I use at work...it was great!

Re the comment on Camtasia..you're never going to find a format that suits all for importing. I'd prefer SWF in this instance as it is handy for Adobe Captivate.

SWF (for me) was a surprise and a pleasant one. I'm not saying it is the best format (as a Mac user I'd avoid WMV and AVI completely) but I see where you are coming from re it being universal and low cost/impact. It does make editing a problem for people though.

SWF has worked well in my tests and I've tried importing the movies into Adobe Connect live meetings and the presenter tool that I use at work...it was great!

I think you should use a different file format so people can upload videos to youtube, livevideo and such.

Ben, Why would you want to put videos up on YouTube, because it's free? Free comes at a cost. If you read YouTube's Terms of Service very carefully, they OWN YOUR content (see article here http://boingboing.net/2006/07/20/youtubes_new_policy_.html) . What you also fail to realize is that when you do upload videos to YouTube, you have to do several things, here's an article that talks about what you (as the content producer) need to do in order to get your video to look good on YouTube http://crunchgear.com/2007/07/16/help-key-how-to-optimize-your-video-for-youtube/. Why not offer some better feedback like, instead of putting the videos to Screencast.com or YouTube, why not something like Revver or Viddler. These sites will at least let YOU keep the content as your own.

This is WAY COOL! I have a 75 year old Mom and 81 year old Dad and I do computer support for them long distance. This will make life so much easier for them and me. After all a picture or video is worth a Thousand Words, Right!

Thanks for the great product.

Linda

I think mp4 or avi or flv would all be great for capture export choices. You could use the mp4 for ipods- which would be great for podcasts in iTunes. Avi would also be good for showing to Windows and Mac users. Flv is another format that could be useful. The good thing about AVI and mp4 is that you can edit both in your editing programs (add titles, voice overs, etc..)
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I would like to be able to quickly load videos into youtube or open them with iMovie/other video editing program for putting clips together. And to do that I need a real video file, .wmv, .mov, .avi, and .mpg are supported by youtube. Not providing at least one of those formats means that either I use a different program for screen capturing or add a second step to convert the swf file after saving it.

Not to mention that those files are supported by many more players and easier to pass around.

It seems silly not to include the choice since it would not interfere in the ease of use of the program to add some file types to the save as dialog.

I think that adding the option to export to another format is a great idea. I understand the desire to make the videos as universally viewable as possible, so leaving .swf as the default is fine, but adding .mov or .wmv would be wonderful so we can edit our videos in other applications. As of now, all I can do in Jing with video is record. I can't edit, I can't add titles or accentuate certain parts of the video like I can with the photo capture capability. I understand that you have other products that can do all of the things I want to do with video, but I don't want to have to learn another video editing software. Would it be so hard to give Jing the ability to export to another format?

PNG is a fine choice for screenshots.

SWF is OK for portability, but...

The 2 problems it has are:
1- Big file size
2- No possibility of further editing

If you allow exporting to other formats for further editing, then it has to be full quality uncompressed. I think an uncompressed AVI will be good for all platforms.

Adding a button or an option for "advanced settings" can easily keep all the extra export options hidden to keep the streamlined experience.

Thank you for Jing, and keep up the good work!

Sam

I've been using Jing for a few weeks now and am currently using it in a flash-based project I'm doing for a class. For the most part I like it; I do have a question though. I've been taking captures of myself navigating a few web pages. Short of resizing the browser, is there any way of removing the yellow "Time Elapsed" box from videos?

I love what Jing does and think it is great that you have put it out for both platforms. Plasq, who does Comic Life, has put out something similar called Skitch for Macs but it only does image captures (whihc you can edit like Jing images)and not videos. People earlier talked about a Mac screen capture alternative with more options for the higher end user. I use iShowU which is a great screen capture application but you do have to pay for it. In terms of a universal video format, avi would be a great option. QT isn't compatible with MovieMaker but avi can work with both iMovie and MovieMaker. I think this is a fantastic product and have sent out the word to all the schools I work with as an ICT advisor.

I like the formats you guys have put in this project. For something that is for free, these definately do the trick.

The .png format for stills is fine, but the .swf format for video is definitely not because it stops me doing what I want to do with the video I've captured. In this case, I find that I can't embed the video in Keynote, and I can't even transcode it into some other format - I've tried as many ways as I can think of to convert the .swf into a .avi or .mov, or even a .mpeg, but no dice.

Result: Jing is completely useless.

Jing is just great the way it is PNG and SWF formats work just fine.

I haven't been able to convert standard macromedia swf files to mov or 3g2 or wmv.
No, swf files are NOT fine and I don't have time to convert (or try, that is) all day long. Thank you. please
Please include wmv export.

The only thing that's holding me back from using Jing is lack of support to export to FLV... I mean you guys probably already convert it to FLV... Why do the extra work to package it inside that SWF? Plus you should at least release the source to arcturus_player.swf so that we can customize the UI for our needs...

Am I asking too much? I don't think so because exporting to FLV should be easier than exporting to a SWF for the dev team and releasing the source to that arcturus_player.swf is just a click away... :)

Keehun Nam

Limiting the file formats for simplicity is noble and understandable, but unfortunately I think the limits of just .png and .swf are too much. Users deserve slightly more flexibility so they can use the captures they create in a way that suits their needs. By limiting the options too much you may actually be adding complexity, requiring users to re-format material, thus taking more time, and possibly lowering the quality in the process (re-compression is bad).

I don't think it's necessary for you to support a laundry list of codes/file formants, but 3 to 4 modern, forward looking formats would likely satisfy most users. As the software designers, you can still support your design ideas by setting the format defaults to those that best fit your vision, but as you've indicated in your own thread, potential users are already asking for more. Please don't deny us this.

That being said, IMHO I would like to see the following formats included.
Video: h.264
Still: PNG, JPG, TIFF

Thanks for that perspective. We are learning that "sharing" may have a broader definition than how we have originally approached Jing.

To further investigate that, we are trying to better understand why everyone wants additional file formats to be sure we target the right way to solve "broader sharing". For example, are you most often "saving" vs "sharing" within Jing because you then take the file and edit it or email it or what?

Filling out the survey I just posted on the blog (http://blog.jingproject.com) will be very helpful in further understanding the wants/needs of everyone.

I think if we can choose the export file format, that will be great!

Different formats have different strength and go well with different applications

I want to put the video file into presentation (powerpoint or keynote.

swf file does not work. I would prefer we can choose to export as wmv, avi and mov file format

I saw SUW post a comment that the swf file can not be transformed into format that can be put into Keynote.

My solution is to open the swf file using QuickTime Pro and save as mov file.
mov file works fine in Keynote. Quality drops but at least it works.

Of course, it will be excellent if Jing can natively support outputting to different video format.

PNG's great, but like most of the Mac users here I find swf unworkable. Some people have said that QTPro can convert it, but most of us without QTPro wouldn't buy it just to use Jing. Plus, it might not work. So...I can't play these files, can't edit, really can't do too much. *sigh*

Thanks for that feedback. Can I ask what you need to do with your video (in general terms) to make it ready for a quick and casual share?

It's sort of a loaded question and I'll explain. Our test/experiment isn't necessarily to evaluate if the marketplace wants a light Camtasia Studio or a light SnagIt. That may be a worth while opportunity for us, but currently we're trying to evaluate if people value a thin, very fast way to visually communicate the type of content we use in daily conversation.

Knowing that, what are your thoughts?

Great product but ...I want to edit the recording in other programs to add sound and video effects (i.e. PnP).

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Just give us AVI output as an option. Pretty please.

That would solve ALL problems.

The Mac has no other decent screencast....SnagZ doesn't even have a pause button.

I use Camtasia on a Mac via WinXP as a VMWare image just because the situation is so dire.

I was psyched about Jing, but now can't edit the vids....unngg

I would love to see a way to edit the files. I am a huge computer head and I'd like to edit fades and such in my Flash 8. If I'm missing something it's because I haven't dug deep enough but I'd love to be able to edit the files myself for my own projects. Personally, I am glad it is in a simple file type however for more advanced users such as myself more often then not I'd love a .mov file type to edit in Final Cut. I understand why keeping it simple and I applaud that however possibly an "Advanced" tab for users only of my own caliber to get more out of Jing. Just some suggestions which are of course subjective. Thanks for considering. :)

I would like to be able to choose the save format for videos. I am working on a Mac and .swf files are useless to me. I want to be able to play and edit them. I think including an option to export to .flv or .mov would be a huge step forward for Jing.

Jing,

If you're waiting to see how people are going to use it before you take suggestions posted, you're limiting yourself. I, for one, won't be doing anymore with Jing because you don't support .mp3 and .mp4 and .mov . You've chosen the most limiting formats possible and want to force them down everyone's throats. This product will not fly unless you change/add formats it can save to.

There's your feedback; it's what people want. Get to work or lose out to any number of other companies doing the same thing now.

Be successful...listen!

Hi.

I ran across JING the other week and I thought it was a great program for an educator to use. I can see all kinds of applications for teachers and for those like me who are involved in professional development. It is simple to use and the resulting video seems to have good picture and sound quality. But I am so disappointed.....swf doesn't work for me. I use a macbook pro and to play the saved file it has to open up my parallels and XP and play it in explorer ( a time consuming process - I use firefox), I can't upload it to my wiki as it only shows the center part of the video - not the whole screen, Teachertube doesn't recognize it as a file type, Zamzar doesn't recognize it as a file type so I can't convert it, and I haven't been able to upload it to VoiceThread. I can understand making it simple, but I'm not willing to pay for ScreenCast when TeacherTube is free and I can't figure out how to actually use the video I created. Ok, enough whining, maybe you have a really simple fix for this, I hope so.

Amazing how people are still just now running across this tool. I love it!
The reason I needed a screen capture program was to quickly associate an image with an order form, in a database entry. The program I'm using for that supports .jpg and .gif (Not sure about .gif)

Maybe a one time setting, or a downloadable extension.

Either way, phenomenal project. I can see a thousand uses for something like this. It really is solid. Thanks!

Great tool in Education. I am also a bit frustrated with the limited use of video formats. Has anyone used software like visulhub to change format. I tried VH but it did not work. Any one else with luck? I would like to have video files so that my students can see the videos in their iPods.

Any comment greatly appreciated.

What software is required for the .swf format in which the video captures are save ?

@ Marcus - .swf videos can be viewed in your browser (assuming you have the flash player browser plug-in installed - 98% of online users do).

So, the workflow is that you create a video, upload that video to your destination (network, screencast.com, your ftp site). You in turn use the URL returned by Jing and send that on to other people(s). When they click on that URL, the video in almost all circumstances will open and play directly inside their browser.

Let me know if this is not the direction your question was headed.

Best Regards,
Tony Dunckel
Product Manager
The Jing Project

I downloaded and updated version Macromedia Flash Player but I still cannot open up my swf.video files. I get the message "Windows cannot open this 2008-05-01.png.swf"

How come that it has two different file extensions ? Might this be the problem ?

M

PLEASE! Jing is useless without more video output! I just wanted to make a video to go along with a song I made, but I can't import audio because it's flash and it doesn't work with iMovie or anything!!

WE NEED MORE VIDEO!

I'd like to see .jpg format implemented. I use jing for alot of things where I prefer ease of use and a small file size rather than quality.

I have been using Jing for some time (also have Camtasia) - I use Jing for quick and easy videos I can rapidly create/share, and Camtasia Studio for annotated tutorials, etc.

That being said, the fact that the .swf file outputed by Jing is completely useless for all other purposes (cannot be imported into Camtasia, cannot be uploaded to YouTube, cannot be converted to another format, etc etc.) is maddening.

NONE of the above proposed solutions work (you cannot open the SWF file in Quicktime, it cannot be converted with ANY online or desktop app - I tried them ALL) so careful consideration should be given to including at least ONE other output format that CAN be converted (like Quicktime or pretty much ANYTHING).

The demand for this should be apparent, and you aren't going to cut into Camtasia sales by doing this either (my opinion is this is the REAL reason you only allow SWF) because it is limiting in so many other ways.

I really, really hope you listed to all those (including me) clamoring for another supported video output format.

Love Jing because of its solid programming and ease of use. but it needs at least one or two additional outputs, for sites like YouTube. Because of this, i had to switch to another screen capture program. Not as solid, but effective on YouTube.

Your blog is interesting!

Keep up the good work!

The software would be much more useful to me if there was an "advanced" tab or option that would allow me to select another codec for video compression, specifically the free and open source Xvid codec (xvid.org) that uses the mpeg4 standards. Also being able to change the frame rate would be great.